Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Mike Smith's avatar

Eric, we've discussed your proposals along these lines many times. I'll only point out a few things here.

The logical positivist standard was verification, which it was eventually pointed out, is itself unverifiable. That standard is too strict,. It would require throwing out too much productive science. Falsifiability is actually a weaker standard introduced by Karl Popper, who was a critic of the logical positivists. Popper argued that while we can never verify a scientific theory, we can, at least in principle, falsify them, if they are indeed false.

Of course, falsifiability has its own issues, as many have pointed out. The failure of Newtonian mechanics to predict Uranus' orbit led to the discovery of Neptune. But the failure to predict Mercury's eventually falsified the theory. Although it wasn't really accepted until there was an alternate theory: general relativity.

My other point is one I've made before, but concerns your causality standard. Causation, in the sense of an asymmetry between cause and effect, is not fundamental. It emerges with the second law of thermodynamics and the direction of entropy increasing. Without that, what we have are symmetric structural relations across time and space, which would put us in structural realism territory. And while my expectation is that these are ultimately deterministic, I hold that metaphysical assumption loosely, always prepared to bracket it if necessary to accept a successful scientific theory.

Finally, along the lines of one of my recent posts, I'm leery of anything being declared fundamental or axiomatic. Historically, it seems like everything declared fundamental by someone eventually turns out to be emergent from something else. For instance, atoms were supposed to be the fundamental building blocks of matter, but turned out to be composed of electrons, protons, and sometimes neutrons. And protons and neutrons themselves turned out to be composed of quarks. It seems unwise to be too comfortable that we've hit bedrock with our current understandings.

Steve Chae's avatar

Hi Eric, I find your proposal to be interesting and relevant to what I'm also pursuing. I'm a middle school science teacher in Australia and I have been wondering whether such an explicit set of philosophical principles could better serve science education. Through my personal philosophical exploration I have shifted my attention from epistemology to ethics since I deemed it would be more beneficial for me to focus more on being a good teacher rather than an anti-scientism-ist (although they are related issues). I mention ethics because it seems as though the reason you're pursuing this project is rooted in axiology, or values of existing, as you put it, with a focus on "feelings" of good to bad, and not so much on good or bad behaviour. As a school teacher it's easy to get tied up on behaviours! So I find your comment on axiology becoming science or psychology to be interesting - I interpret this as a possibility to elevate certain metaphysics in the Korean Confucian tradition I'm familiar with as they talk about attention and care as ways to promote virtue ethics. I look forward to your upcoming posts! Cheers

39 more comments...

No posts

Ready for more?